Episode 25

Finale | Revisiting Ego & Essence with Russ Hudson & Mario Sikora (Part 2)

Here’s Part 2 of our Season Finale: Revisiting Ego & Essence. To end our season, we have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on these often used, often misunderstood concepts. 

Lee Fields joins the Fathoms crew for this conversation, which always makes us better. 

[2:00] How can we move forward with these terms despite the issues? 

[13:05] Ego & Essence as bypassing

[19:05] It’s about the process, not a destination

[24:00] Individuality, Mutuality, & Unity in relation to ego and essence

[31:35] Russ’ and Mario’s closing remarks for people using the enneagram

[35:40] The Fathoms Cohosts provide their initial reactions to the conversation

[45:05] How we’ll use the terms “ego” & “essence” moving forward

[60:00] Abram shares a story

[1:01:00] Linz hands out podcast awards to the guys

[1:05:30] Why we do this podcast

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore

Seth Creekmore, or “Creek,” as he is known by most of his friends has been studying the Enneagram for almost 10 years now. Having completed training under Lynda Roberts & Nan Henson, he continued learning the Enneagram through a smattering of other teachers and books and eventually completed the Awareness to Action program. He was one of the original founders of the popular Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast and now serves as the resident Millennial for the Awareness to Action Podcast. He creates Cinematic Folk music under the name Creekmore and enjoys, hiking in cold places, cooking in warm places and traveling to all the places.

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