Episode 4

Interview | Holding Tension with Jason Adam Miller

"When our view of reality is challenged, it can be traumatic.” In this conversation, Abram, Creek, and Drew talk with Jason Adam Miller (aka “J”), Lead Pastor of South Bend City Church. He offers brilliant and accessible insight into the roles that faith, belief, and tension play in life and encountering the enneagram. In this interview, Jason conveys a wise and caring way of holding space for doubt, tension, and questioning while still offering hope. [He also talks about pastoring a congregation amid this current wave of enneagram popularity.]

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“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

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Quote: “The only thing stronger than fear is curiosity” –Smallfoot (Film)

Quote: “We labor unceasingly to adorn and preserve this imaginary existence and neglect the real” –Blais Pascal

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Editing/Production: Seth Creekmore

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About your hosts

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Seth Abram

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore

Seth Creekmore, or “Creek,” as he is known by most of his friends has been studying the Enneagram for almost 10 years now. Having completed training under Lynda Roberts & Nan Henson, he continued learning the Enneagram through a smattering of other teachers and books and eventually completed the Awareness to Action program. He was one of the original founders of the popular Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast and now serves as the resident Millennial for the Awareness to Action Podcast. He creates Cinematic Folk music under the name Creekmore and enjoys, hiking in cold places, cooking in warm places and traveling to all the places.

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