Interview | Race: Embracing our Armor with Chichi Agorom

In this episode, we continue our series on race and the enneagram and interview Chichi Agorom, author of the brilliant book, The Enneagram for Black Liberation. 

[0:45] What’s energizing Chichi right now? 

[3:00] The importance of considering the collective, not just the individual, when using the enneagram

[7:35] A bit about Chichi’s Nigerian background

[9:10] What’s challenging about being from a collectivist culture

[11:00] The difference between individualism and individuality

[14:00] What Chichi wishes people truly understood about the enneagram

[18:15] The role that our armor plays in our lives

[25:45] If our type/strategy is armor, is it ever ok to get rid of it? 

[29:30] On the concept of “centered”

[33:30] On the importance and nuance of vulnerability . . . and the role privilege plays

[37:50] Chichi turns the tables and asks us about our armor

[49:00] What can listeners do to increase understanding of the collective? 

[54:50] Where can listeners find Chichi? 

Follow Chichi : www.chichiagorom.com and @theenneagramforblackliberation on Insta. 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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