Episode 9

Interview | Race: Living by the Platinum Rule with Dr. Deborah Egerton

In this episode, we interview Dr. Deborah Egerton (Dr. E). Dr. E is a Diversity, Equity, & Anti-racism Specialist, Author, Executive Coach, Keynote Speaker, and Culture Transformation & Leadership Development Expert. Dr. E. brings all kinds of brilliance and new insights on the enneagram 

[1:40] When’s the last time Dr. E’s had a good belly laugh?  

[6:30] About Dr. E’s book Know Justice, Know Peace

[10:50] Dr. E’s perspective as a Black woman in the enneagram space

[16:40] On loneliness and the current state of the enneagram community

[21:10] Dr. E’s vision of a humanity mosaic

[38:30] The Platinum Rule

[40:40] An example of a well-intentioned but counterproductive attempt to apply the Golden Rule

[45:30] How can we challenge others appropriately? 

[50:50] The centers of intelligence as bridge builders, healers and defenders

Follow Dr. E’s work : https://www.deborahegerton.com/ and buy her book Know Justice, Know Peace! 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore

Seth Creekmore, or “Creek,” as he is known by most of his friends has been studying the Enneagram for almost 10 years now. Having completed training under Lynda Roberts & Nan Henson, he continued learning the Enneagram through a smattering of other teachers and books and eventually completed the Awareness to Action program. He was one of the original founders of the popular Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast and now serves as the resident Millennial for the Awareness to Action Podcast. He creates Cinematic Folk music under the name Creekmore and enjoys, hiking in cold places, cooking in warm places and traveling to all the places.

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